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	<title>Comments on: House #11: Mold Problems</title>
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		<title>By: J Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.123flip.com/house-10-mold-problems/comment-page-1#comment-2158</link>
		<dc:creator>J Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie -

If the mold was there when you put in the offer, I would recommend that you just factor the cost into your offer price.  Generally speaking, banks don&#039;t like to lower their agreed upon price, except in extreme situations. 

Of course, if the mold is new, and happened between the time you put the house under contract and the time you closed, you can generally make a good argument for having the bank lower their price a reasonable amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie -</p>
<p>If the mold was there when you put in the offer, I would recommend that you just factor the cost into your offer price.  Generally speaking, banks don&#8217;t like to lower their agreed upon price, except in extreme situations. </p>
<p>Of course, if the mold is new, and happened between the time you put the house under contract and the time you closed, you can generally make a good argument for having the bank lower their price a reasonable amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering...
We&#039;re looking at a Fannie Mae REO that has extensive mold in the basement. Do you think they&#039;d be better or worse than your bank about lowering the cost of the house the amount paid out for remediation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering&#8230;<br />
We&#8217;re looking at a Fannie Mae REO that has extensive mold in the basement. Do you think they&#8217;d be better or worse than your bank about lowering the cost of the house the amount paid out for remediation?</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://www.123flip.com/house-10-mold-problems/comment-page-1#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The words &quot;bank&quot; and &quot;heart&quot; in the same sentence...funny.

What I learned from my mold experience was that mold will spread in a conducive environment but there is probably only one source. In my case it was some studs that got wet during a water heater leak and never quite got dry. But if you looked at the entire basement there was mold showing up where the wet studs where and also in adjacent rooms that had never gotten wet. 
However, we did not discover the wet studs until we removed the drywall. Once we removed the drywall and got the studs cleaned and dried the mold in the other areas was just in the surface and I was able to clean it by just wiping it down with bleach solution. It never came back.

Careful with what the mold remediator says...one of the quotes I got told me to re-paint the entire basement with oil based paint, instead of water based, after the treatment. I later found out that oil based paint actually has more organic components than water based paint. After cleaning the moldy surfaces wiping it down with a solution of borate and water will inhibit future mold growth...and it costs about three bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The words &#8220;bank&#8221; and &#8220;heart&#8221; in the same sentence&#8230;funny.</p>
<p>What I learned from my mold experience was that mold will spread in a conducive environment but there is probably only one source. In my case it was some studs that got wet during a water heater leak and never quite got dry. But if you looked at the entire basement there was mold showing up where the wet studs where and also in adjacent rooms that had never gotten wet.<br />
However, we did not discover the wet studs until we removed the drywall. Once we removed the drywall and got the studs cleaned and dried the mold in the other areas was just in the surface and I was able to clean it by just wiping it down with bleach solution. It never came back.</p>
<p>Careful with what the mold remediator says&#8230;one of the quotes I got told me to re-paint the entire basement with oil based paint, instead of water based, after the treatment. I later found out that oil based paint actually has more organic components than water based paint. After cleaning the moldy surfaces wiping it down with a solution of borate and water will inhibit future mold growth&#8230;and it costs about three bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: J Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.123flip.com/house-10-mold-problems/comment-page-1#comment-1949</link>
		<dc:creator>J Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To address a bunch of the comments...

As Steve mentioned, if the bank can&#039;t close by the agreed upon date, I can back out with no penalty (i.e., I get my EM back).

Additionally, if the house is in substantially different condition than it was when I put it under contract, I can also get my EM back and back out of the contract.  Whether the mold constitutes &quot;substantially different&quot; can be debated, but more REO sellers wouldn&#039;t put up too much of a fight.

All that said, the bank says they can close in the next couple days, and even though we&#039;re past the contract date, we&#039;ll likely close on it and take care of the extra expense out of our own pocket.

I&#039;ll have more details next week...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To address a bunch of the comments&#8230;</p>
<p>As Steve mentioned, if the bank can&#8217;t close by the agreed upon date, I can back out with no penalty (i.e., I get my EM back).</p>
<p>Additionally, if the house is in substantially different condition than it was when I put it under contract, I can also get my EM back and back out of the contract.  Whether the mold constitutes &#8220;substantially different&#8221; can be debated, but more REO sellers wouldn&#8217;t put up too much of a fight.</p>
<p>All that said, the bank says they can close in the next couple days, and even though we&#8217;re past the contract date, we&#8217;ll likely close on it and take care of the extra expense out of our own pocket.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more details next week&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hakrjak</title>
		<link>http://www.123flip.com/house-10-mold-problems/comment-page-1#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>Hakrjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a small mold issue on 2 bathroom walls a few flips ago.... I ended up just cutting the drywall out and throwing it in my dumpster, and then I treated the studs with pure bleach in a spray bottle.  I treated it about 3 times, letting it dry each time, until the mold was completely gone... Then we drywalled it back up, and textured &amp; painted, and never saw mold again in that house :)

Sounds like you are dealing with a severe problem though if it&#039;s in several rooms.  You&#039;ll have to remove and re-drywall almost the whole house it sounds like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a small mold issue on 2 bathroom walls a few flips ago&#8230;. I ended up just cutting the drywall out and throwing it in my dumpster, and then I treated the studs with pure bleach in a spray bottle.  I treated it about 3 times, letting it dry each time, until the mold was completely gone&#8230; Then we drywalled it back up, and textured &amp; painted, and never saw mold again in that house <img src='http://www.123flip.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sounds like you are dealing with a severe problem though if it&#8217;s in several rooms.  You&#8217;ll have to remove and re-drywall almost the whole house it sounds like?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many bummer post in a row :)  We need some good news!  I&#039;m sure your due for some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many bummer post in a row <img src='http://www.123flip.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   We need some good news!  I&#8217;m sure your due for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the bank addendum they kill all possible liability...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the bank addendum they kill all possible liability&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwerner, typically if the bank cannot preform.  AKA provide clear title and sell the house by the agreed upon closing date.  The buyer can request their money back.  

If additional mold was the only issue, I would say there is high possibility the earnest money would be toast in an &quot;AS-IS&quot; contract.  On the other hand, if the bank, or selling agent knew about the mold and did not disclose it, there is definitely a liability issue on the seller&#039;s part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwerner, typically if the bank cannot preform.  AKA provide clear title and sell the house by the agreed upon closing date.  The buyer can request their money back.  </p>
<p>If additional mold was the only issue, I would say there is high possibility the earnest money would be toast in an &#8220;AS-IS&#8221; contract.  On the other hand, if the bank, or selling agent knew about the mold and did not disclose it, there is definitely a liability issue on the seller&#8217;s part.</p>
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		<title>By: kwerner</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have to back out, are you going to lose your earnest money deposit?  If so, hopefully you didn&#039;t put up too much.  Losing the sunglasses is bad enough.  LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have to back out, are you going to lose your earnest money deposit?  If so, hopefully you didn&#8217;t put up too much.  Losing the sunglasses is bad enough.  LOL.</p>
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